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	<title>Comments on: Routine</title>
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		<title>By: Random Thoughts #2 &#124; Worship Ministry Catalyst</title>
		<link>http://davidlindner.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/routine/#comment-95</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wanted to write some more about routine. I talked about it last week, and got some interesting feedback on that post. I wanted to talk about it on a very practical [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Random Thoughts #2 &#171; David Lindner&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Thoughts #2 &#171; David Lindner&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wanted to write some more about routine. I talked about it last week, and got some interesting feedback on that post. I wanted to talk about it on a very practical [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Lindner</title>
		<link>http://davidlindner.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/routine/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lindner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I would like to see the church break out of the familiar structure and into a structure that best works for the message we are trying to teach. For me, it&#039;s hard to imagine being creative within a liturgical structure. I think, the structure needs an overhaul. Especially depending on the kind of liturgy you&#039;re talking about. If it&#039;s a liturgy that&#039;s been repeated for hundreds of years, where&#039;s the life in that? 

I agree that we don&#039;t want to just blast the people with chaos on any given weekend service, and it is nice to know what&#039;s coming, but I just feel that it becomes lifeless. Sing a song or two, welcome &amp; Announcements, sing a song or two, greeting, sermon, sing a song, see ya. Regardless of what songs you put in the slots, that order in and of itself will be come a hindrance. 

I&#039;m still very much working on this and what it looks like, I just know that what we&#039;re doing now isn&#039;t going to work for much longer. 

Thanks for the great comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I would like to see the church break out of the familiar structure and into a structure that best works for the message we are trying to teach. For me, it&#8217;s hard to imagine being creative within a liturgical structure. I think, the structure needs an overhaul. Especially depending on the kind of liturgy you&#8217;re talking about. If it&#8217;s a liturgy that&#8217;s been repeated for hundreds of years, where&#8217;s the life in that? </p>
<p>I agree that we don&#8217;t want to just blast the people with chaos on any given weekend service, and it is nice to know what&#8217;s coming, but I just feel that it becomes lifeless. Sing a song or two, welcome &amp; Announcements, sing a song or two, greeting, sermon, sing a song, see ya. Regardless of what songs you put in the slots, that order in and of itself will be come a hindrance. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still very much working on this and what it looks like, I just know that what we&#8217;re doing now isn&#8217;t going to work for much longer. </p>
<p>Thanks for the great comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Lorie King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorie King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on. Routine for the sake of laziness is definitely something against which we must guard ourselves! 

I like how you allude to the difference between a regular structure (I would call this &quot;liturgy&quot;) and mere routine. Because, to some degree, I&#039;d say one way we enable people to engage in corporate worship is by giving them a sense of familarity with and expectation of what is coming next---they know that after the first two songs we&#039;ll pray, etc..  While this can breed disengagement (going through the motions, habit, etc.), it can also foster engagement (people can participate freely and readily without wondering, &quot;What&#039;s coming next?&quot; &quot;What am I supposed to do here?&quot;). 

I&#039;d love to hear more of your thoughts on that---how we cultivate creativity and fresh expression within a regular/familiar liturgical structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on. Routine for the sake of laziness is definitely something against which we must guard ourselves! </p>
<p>I like how you allude to the difference between a regular structure (I would call this &#8220;liturgy&#8221;) and mere routine. Because, to some degree, I&#8217;d say one way we enable people to engage in corporate worship is by giving them a sense of familarity with and expectation of what is coming next&#8212;they know that after the first two songs we&#8217;ll pray, etc..  While this can breed disengagement (going through the motions, habit, etc.), it can also foster engagement (people can participate freely and readily without wondering, &#8220;What&#8217;s coming next?&#8221; &#8220;What am I supposed to do here?&#8221;). </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to hear more of your thoughts on that&#8212;how we cultivate creativity and fresh expression within a regular/familiar liturgical structure.</p>
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